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		<title>By: Jcdew</title>
		<link>http://www.impublished.org/wordpress/obamastalk/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Jcdew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has each candidate done in thier careers to help the people?

Experience is what gets the job done,ever wonder why jobs want that more than pieces of paper or talk?

Bill Clinton got this Economy on it's feet and I know his wife will do the same,you know she discusses things with him.

I have a gut feeling that Obama will not be the "savior" like the gullable people think he will be,mock my words.(if he gets elected)

I had the same feeling with Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has each candidate done in thier careers to help the people?</p>
<p>Experience is what gets the job done,ever wonder why jobs want that more than pieces of paper or talk?</p>
<p>Bill Clinton got this Economy on it&#8217;s feet and I know his wife will do the same,you know she discusses things with him.</p>
<p>I have a gut feeling that Obama will not be the &#8220;savior&#8221; like the gullable people think he will be,mock my words.(if he gets elected)</p>
<p>I had the same feeling with Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: the tweney review &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for February 16th through February 20th</title>
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		<dc:creator>the tweney review &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for February 16th through February 20th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matthew Burton: &#8220;Obama is all talk&#8221; is all talk - Who really has made more conrete proposals? This page compares Clinton and Obama&#8217;s websites on the issues [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Matthew Burton: &#8220;Obama is all talk&#8221; is all talk - Who really has made more conrete proposals? This page compares Clinton and Obama&#8217;s websites on the issues [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obama is all talk right now.  granted.  this is an election.  as his supportors, we fully realize that, but deeply feel that when he is thrown into the fire of things of which he has no experience with, he will realize the gravity of it all and NEVER act like bush did but INSTEAD surrond himself with INTELLIGENT and DIVERSE expertise and find a way to START to solve the incredibly COMPLEX situations he will have to deal with.  but when making decisions, he will be driven by PRINCIPLE, not the pollitics of the time (AKA hillary 2003 Iraq)

This is why he has our VOTE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obama is all talk right now.  granted.  this is an election.  as his supportors, we fully realize that, but deeply feel that when he is thrown into the fire of things of which he has no experience with, he will realize the gravity of it all and NEVER act like bush did but INSTEAD surrond himself with INTELLIGENT and DIVERSE expertise and find a way to START to solve the incredibly COMPLEX situations he will have to deal with.  but when making decisions, he will be driven by PRINCIPLE, not the pollitics of the time (AKA hillary 2003 Iraq)</p>
<p>This is why he has our VOTE.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claiming that legislative know-how trumps brilliant speechmaking is fatuous. The primary task before each candidate right now is to win contests, and if Senator Clinton is failing to do that, where is the evidence she will be better at executing her legislative agenda. The best, albeit most unfortunate example of this is George W. Bush. He was better than Gore and Kerry at dispatching even the most obvious objections to his candidacy and he was able to roll back environmental standards, cut taxes and start a war. The beauty (and danger) of electoral politics is that the best test of a candidate's executive acumen is whether he or she can win the election!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claiming that legislative know-how trumps brilliant speechmaking is fatuous. The primary task before each candidate right now is to win contests, and if Senator Clinton is failing to do that, where is the evidence she will be better at executing her legislative agenda. The best, albeit most unfortunate example of this is George W. Bush. He was better than Gore and Kerry at dispatching even the most obvious objections to his candidacy and he was able to roll back environmental standards, cut taxes and start a war. The beauty (and danger) of electoral politics is that the best test of a candidate&#8217;s executive acumen is whether he or she can win the election!</p>
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		<title>By: Texan Abroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texan Abroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look at their plans for America that you can download as .pdf files.  Obama's is 64 pages while Clinton's is 14 pages.  Seems like a lot more solutions can be found in those 64 pages!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just look at their plans for America that you can download as .pdf files.  Obama&#8217;s is 64 pages while Clinton&#8217;s is 14 pages.  Seems like a lot more solutions can be found in those 64 pages!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you believe the global issues do not deserve their own category (global aids &lt; disability? Nuclear proliferation &lt; rural?), then I guess that would warrant such a strategy."

That's true. Here's how I chose the issues: I went to the Obama site, wrote down all the issues listed on the Issues page, then went to the Clinton issues page and wrote down those. For all the matches (including the qualitative ones, such as Obama:Economy::Clinton:Middle Class), I dedicated a row to them. Then I dedicated a row to each listed issue that had no match (eg, Clinton's Women, or Obama's Civil Rights--which is why I didn't notice the Clinton press release, which, you have to admit, is hard to find.)

You mention that Obama has lots of details on his nuke policy. I'm sure it's there, given the attention that issue had a few months ago, but I didn't run across it during my survey. So there are errors on both sides, owing, as you said, to the time it takes to do this.

I agree that nuclear proliferation !&lt; rural. But then again, I think Government Reform &gt; *, and that Energy &gt; Economy + Health. The categories listed above reflect the CANDIDATES' prioritization of issues (given their prominence on their sites), not mine.

Thanks for the feedback. This is interesting stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you believe the global issues do not deserve their own category (global aids < disability? Nuclear proliferation < rural?), then I guess that would warrant such a strategy."</p>
<p>That's true. Here's how I chose the issues: I went to the Obama site, wrote down all the issues listed on the Issues page, then went to the Clinton issues page and wrote down those. For all the matches (including the qualitative ones, such as Obama:Economy::Clinton:Middle Class), I dedicated a row to them. Then I dedicated a row to each listed issue that had no match (eg, Clinton's Women, or Obama's Civil Rights--which is why I didn't notice the Clinton press release, which, you have to admit, is hard to find.)</p>
<p>You mention that Obama has lots of details on his nuke policy. I'm sure it's there, given the attention that issue had a few months ago, but I didn't run across it during my survey. So there are errors on both sides, owing, as you said, to the time it takes to do this.</p>
<p>I agree that nuclear proliferation !< rural. But then again, I think Government Reform > *, and that Energy > Economy + Health. The categories listed above reflect the CANDIDATES&#8217; prioritization of issues (given their prominence on their sites), not mine.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback. This is interesting stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: syphos</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I wasn't expecting a response, so that's good and realize that my initial comment might have been a bit snarky.  I just came to the first issue and was thrown off by it and have not evaluated any of the other codings.  

I would suggest to have someone else to try and replicate your study here for inter-coder reliability, but they ought to do it blindly (given the instructions/categories, but not your results).  Though, that's work and doing this much on your own is more than most people are willing to do.

On aggregation of issues:

Yes, selective aggregation.  If you wanted to aggregate in a less selective matter, we can have one category that is "domestic policy" and another that is "foreign policy", instead, you expand domestic policy (rightfully so), while keeping foreign policy collapsed, except in one case in which you can claim an Obama victory (the Iraq war is not foreign policy?).  A better assessment would expand the foreign policy category and you will have more diversity in your chart.  

If you believe the global issues do not deserve their own category (global aids &#60; disability?  Nuclear proliferation &#60; rural?), then I guess that would warrant such a strategy.

This, naturally, would inflate Clinton's count of "in-depth" issues, but I don't think this is an artificial inflation since these are important issues with serious implications for home and abroad.  Also, not all of these issues will go to Clinton from my brief reading.  Obama, though vague on the specifics, will win a foreign policy category on proliferation/nuclear weapons as he actually takes a stance on the issue and Clinton does not (except a few lines in speeches) from my readings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I wasn&#8217;t expecting a response, so that&#8217;s good and realize that my initial comment might have been a bit snarky.  I just came to the first issue and was thrown off by it and have not evaluated any of the other codings.  </p>
<p>I would suggest to have someone else to try and replicate your study here for inter-coder reliability, but they ought to do it blindly (given the instructions/categories, but not your results).  Though, that&#8217;s work and doing this much on your own is more than most people are willing to do.</p>
<p>On aggregation of issues:</p>
<p>Yes, selective aggregation.  If you wanted to aggregate in a less selective matter, we can have one category that is &#8220;domestic policy&#8221; and another that is &#8220;foreign policy&#8221;, instead, you expand domestic policy (rightfully so), while keeping foreign policy collapsed, except in one case in which you can claim an Obama victory (the Iraq war is not foreign policy?).  A better assessment would expand the foreign policy category and you will have more diversity in your chart.  </p>
<p>If you believe the global issues do not deserve their own category (global aids &lt; disability?  Nuclear proliferation &lt; rural?), then I guess that would warrant such a strategy.</p>
<p>This, naturally, would inflate Clinton&#8217;s count of &#8220;in-depth&#8221; issues, but I don&#8217;t think this is an artificial inflation since these are important issues with serious implications for home and abroad.  Also, not all of these issues will go to Clinton from my brief reading.  Obama, though vague on the specifics, will win a foreign policy category on proliferation/nuclear weapons as he actually takes a stance on the issue and Clinton does not (except a few lines in speeches) from my readings.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syphos,

Fair enough. The chart has been changed. Everyone else is free to point out errors as long as the claim isn't based on redundant information or fluff. However,

How does my forthrightness in the foreign policy section translate into "selective aggregation", especially when I gave that category to Clinton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syphos,</p>
<p>Fair enough. The chart has been changed. Everyone else is free to point out errors as long as the claim isn&#8217;t based on redundant information or fluff. However,</p>
<p>How does my forthrightness in the foreign policy section translate into &#8220;selective aggregation&#8221;, especially when I gave that category to Clinton?</p>
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		<title>By: Syphos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syphos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selective aggregation and disagregation is questionable, especially given the footnotes in the foreign policy section. It is an interesting attempt, but not convincing. I went to the first issue and was curious if Hillary really had no substance on civil rights on her website, despite having a specific memory of her discussing such details:

http://hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3306

Oh I see. That looks like more than 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selective aggregation and disagregation is questionable, especially given the footnotes in the foreign policy section. It is an interesting attempt, but not convincing. I went to the first issue and was curious if Hillary really had no substance on civil rights on her website, despite having a specific memory of her discussing such details:</p>
<p><a href="http://hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3306" rel="nofollow">http://hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3306</a></p>
<p>Oh I see. That looks like more than 0.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clintons Good: Are you saying that Hillary offers more solutions through the mainstream media than what her website would lead us to believe? Can you point to media that her campaign has generated that was picked up by the mainstream media that is more thorough of a solution than what Obama has offered on his site, but that *isn't* on her website? In other words do you believe Clinton has offered more solutions that are only available through the mainstream media? 

Matt's point is the web is an ideal medium to convey more information about "solutions" and Hillary's campaign is either at best failing to realize this or at worst actually has less "solutions" than Obama's campaign.

Either way Clinton's comment reeks of dishonesty in light of Matt's research when it would have been trivial for her to provide just as much, if not more information on her "solutions" to the Internet community. &lt;b&gt;She shouldn't be claiming to have more solutions than speeches if she hasn't made the obvious step of providing those solutions in a cheap and valuable medium such as the Internet.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clintons Good: Are you saying that Hillary offers more solutions through the mainstream media than what her website would lead us to believe? Can you point to media that her campaign has generated that was picked up by the mainstream media that is more thorough of a solution than what Obama has offered on his site, but that *isn&#8217;t* on her website? In other words do you believe Clinton has offered more solutions that are only available through the mainstream media? </p>
<p>Matt&#8217;s point is the web is an ideal medium to convey more information about &#8220;solutions&#8221; and Hillary&#8217;s campaign is either at best failing to realize this or at worst actually has less &#8220;solutions&#8221; than Obama&#8217;s campaign.</p>
<p>Either way Clinton&#8217;s comment reeks of dishonesty in light of Matt&#8217;s research when it would have been trivial for her to provide just as much, if not more information on her &#8220;solutions&#8221; to the Internet community. <b>She shouldn&#8217;t be claiming to have more solutions than speeches if she hasn&#8217;t made the obvious step of providing those solutions in a cheap and valuable medium such as the Internet.</b></p>
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